Waterspout and Magic Mirror/Mirror Shield Damage Calcs

So I have Waterspout and have done the calculations on how the damage works.

Waterspout: Must be cast *after* you get hit, ie you must be slower than the monster hitting you. The damage itself is reflected back 100% as the damage you received in the same way Thorn 1/2 works (Thorn-II reflects back 30% don't know Thorn-I). So if you take 100 damage, you reflect 100 damage back as Water element regardless of the source and it is affected by weather and element modifiers.

Example: I cast Waterspout at Roco in Rain weather, I get hit for 21 damage, when Waterspout attacks I do 21*1.5 (for weather)*2 (for element advantage) for a 63 damage attack.

At +1, 105% of the damage is reflected back. EG I take 14 damage and do 44 damage back in the same scenario as above. 14*1.05 (extra 5%)*1.5 (weather)*2 (element advantage) for a 44.1 rounded down to 44 damage attack.

Magic Mirror/Mirror Shield: I don't yet have it but assuming it works the same, it will reflect back 200% the damage you receive, but must be cast *before* you get hit, ie your monster must be faster than the monster whose attack you are reflecting. If you get hit and lose 50 health, your will reflect back 100 damage*element modifier for up to 200 damage against Ghost.

In all cases you must choose which monster you want to reflect damage back at, and the attack type must be correct for Magic/Mirror Shield.

All are upgradeable and I will eventually upgrade the skill to find out what the new effect will be and update this topic.

[Koenaj]

Finally!

Thanks a lot for this, I'm sure it'll help out pretty much everyone in this forum !

Thanks for the info.. And does it depend on matk of the monster? I think my levi with WS did more dmg than a cyg..

[Koenaj]

Thanks for the info.. And does it depend on matk of the monster? I think my levi with WS did more dmg than a cyg..

Most likely, as they counter a single one of the Attack kinds.

I could see how Waterspout does more damage when your MATK is higher, idem dito for Magic Mirror (Shield).

No Waterspouts damage is not based on stats of any kind.

If you get hit with 25 damage you do 25 water element damage back. If you get hit for 132 damage, you do 132 water element damage back etc etc etc. Your stats aren't reflect in the damage reflect, the only thing it takes into account is the raw number of damage you received.

That means if your Pewgway or Hydra takes a Thunderstorm on the chin and receives 180 damage, you will smack that Rhor back with 180 water damage reduced in half because of its elemental advantage over you, so only do 90 actual damage back (135 if it's Raining), doesn't matter that the Hydra has way higher ATK/MATK.

*edit*

Because of its HP pool, a Leviathan has theoretically a much higher damage potential than a Cygness simply because it can get hit hard and still live. But Watersprout doesn't do and *more* damage with either monster.

Finally!

Thanks a lot for this, I'm sure it'll help out pretty much everyone in this forum !

Downside for me is I wasted all my EoW on getting it and the next day Foresight (which is the minimum required skill for my 2vs2 Behemoth Pewg combo) was on sale.

But if want to add this and find my Adapt topic and give a mention to their mechanics in your guide (as well as Thorn-IIs 30% neutral damage reflection) that might be a good idea. Since in a week this topic, and my work on them will get buried as well.

[Koenaj]

Downside for me is I wasted all my EoW on getting it and the next day Foresight (which is the minimum required skill for my 2vs2 Behemoth Pewg combo) was on sale.

But if want to add this and find my Adapt topic and give a mention to their mechanics in your guide (as well as Thorn-IIs 30% neutral damage reflection) that might be a good idea. Since in a week this topic, and my work on them will get buried as well.

I'll see what I can do, I might add it to the Q&A part !

that's nice to know that element type and weather affects it , thought it was useless

[Koenaj]

Et voilà!

Q) Could you please explain what exactly those counter-like skills, such as Waterspout, Magic Mirror and Mirror Shield work?
A) All credits go to Ryeballs for this information, but there is indeed a logic behind these skills!

Waterspout :
First of all, Waterspout only works when you're attacking after your opponent.
The damage you recieve is the same as you reflect back. So if you get hit and lose 50 HP, you will deal 50 damage in a Water Elemented Counter.
This means both weather and elemental advantage can increase the damage Waterspout deals.

Magic Mirror :
Magic Mirror has to be cast before your opponent attacks.
It will return back 200% damage, so if you got hit and lost 50 HP, you will deal 100 damage back to your opponent.
This skill, as it is a Magic Elemented skill, will do a staggering 400% damage against Ghost monsters!
This skill will only activate when attacked by a Magical Skill!

Mirror Shield :
Mirror Shield works pretty much the same as Magic Mirror, but it only repels Physical Skills instead of Magical Skills.

How does this look to you, did it cover everything ?

It is still super useless. You are better off with Water Bombs or Iajutsu/Mind-Bending to lay the hurt on Lightning/Plant unless a Taunt Pewg can take an Underdog Cerb hit without dying.

Though it might have some utility for a Thorn-II Leviathan or a Ress Pewg (or Thorn-II with potions) in higher BL Experts.

I'm still going to waste the 40 EoW and 200k Silver once I get enough to upgrade it to see what the reflect increase is though.

But that said, since this is a Water element move, Cygness' Adapt *might* be triggered by it, which could cause some chaos! It really depends on if Adapt affects Power/Stats of a move, or just adds a percent of extra damage at the end of the calculation. And bottom line, showing me that multiplicative damage multipliers are handled one at a time is very interesting, eg 21 damage in rain with element advantage turns into 21*1.5*2=63 instead of 21*2.5=52.5.

Magic Mirror :
Magic Mirror has to be cast before your opponent attacks.
It will return back 200% damage, so if you got hit and lost 50 HP, you will deal 100 damage back to your opponent.
This skill, as it is a Magic Elemented skill, will do a staggering 400% damage against Ghost monsters!
This skill will only activate when attacked by a Magical Skill!

Maybe change it to:
Magic Mirror has to be cast before your opponent attacks.
It will return back twice the damage you receive, so if you got hit and lost 50 HP, you will deal 100 damage back to your opponent.
This skill, as it is a Psychic Element skill, will do a staggering 400 damage against Ghost monsters!

Basically got rid of all the percents since there could be a loss of clarity.