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kleingoku

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:55 am

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

Now i Got 7 Female A+ Flauts.... every Time it costs 56000 money, hell, thats not fair
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Grivlet

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:27 am

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

The only solution then is to ask support. However they will probably tell you the same thing but nonetheless it doesn't hurt to ask
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Lord.Rex

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:32 pm

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

Woa333 wrote:I think there might be a bug for some accounts. I have currently gotten 12 chimps in a row synthesized and all females... So I can't even ATTEMP breeding. On top of that all 3 slider scrolls I got were all female. This has drained all my funds and got no money now... And original poster is from my server... #3 ... It could be a bug in version 1.02 ?

Even the 2 octobuds I breeded so I could breed my sliders was female ... Though that was only synthesis I didn't care about male or female lol

This is mathematically improbable but yes not impossible but in any case extremely annoying...

The odds of getting 17 girls In a row is over 1 in 100,000 chance unless I'm mistaken? ... So saying this is just "bad luck" is not a reasonable explanation.

Also for you people saying its bad luck just because it didn't happen to you? so we are imagining it? What kind of logic is that?

Let's say You wanted to rob a group of people, would you steal from everyone or just a couple people so nobody suspects foul play? They can't cheat everyone or nobody would play. But i'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it might be some sort of game glitch...

So I think we should wait for a new game version to be released before blowing all our coins on this nonsense...


if my math is right you have a .0008 percent chance of getting 17 girls in a row, that's not unheard of odds. hell the odds of you winning the lottery is 1 in 135,145,920 and last I checked people do win that now and then. just because the chances of something is astronomically small doesn't mean it never happens. this isn't a glitch or a bug its bad luck, that's it. the fact that you cant just accept that means you don't know how probability works or you have your head so far up a certain body cavity that you refuse to accept anything that you don't like as a truth.
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Woa333

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:20 pm

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

Yes your math is OFF its way worse than that. When something is 50% the odds of it not happening one more time in a row decreases it by half so if you flip heads twice In a row it's 1/4 chance , 3 times 1/8 chance, 4 times 1/16 chance, as you can see by time you get to 10 or more this number gets enormous and by 20 in a row is 1 in a million chance. Talking about the lottery is just silly, there are people spending billions of dollars on that, you think they can win lottery if only 10,000 people bought a ticket?

The odds of some of these breeding or synthesizes are less chance than getting hit by lightning lol... So by now 10% of our fellow players should be dead by now lol

You clearly don't understand how statistics works. If you think 1 in 100,000 happens on a daily basis your clueless and should not comment. Just to give you an example lets say you bread 3 monsters daily That's about 1000 monsters a year... In 100 years if playing that's 100,000 breeding. In that entire 100 year period on average you would get only ONCE 17 times In a row on a average. How old is this game again? 100 days? Lol

But your right lord Rex, if I play for another 300 years and this NEVER happens again I will come back to this forum and apologize!
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Woa333

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:53 pm

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

Just to clarify if you breed lets say 30 monsters and get 10 boys and 20 girls that is uncommon but would happen a lot or if you breed 20 and get 16 girls and 4 boys its unlikely but again it's not unheard of but when you get to a point where one side is 0 and it happens constantly and keep in mind most players don't have forums or names to comment their experiences. Heck I have never even made a forum post till now. I was so annoyed by this I felt I needed to comment.

This is not the first time I have seen this happen in haypi. I have played haypi kingdom and when I enhanced my horse at lvl 18 to get to 20 it said its 18% chance and it failed 15 times in a row then at lvl 19 again 18% chance failed 22 more times in a row. I figured I was just unlucky but again 18% chance is much worse than 50% so it was possible just bad luck for me there... And yes this did not happen to all players and they had a coin option to enhance (which I was told by paying players) that it made the "odds" more likely but it still said 18% so coins or not why would it improve odds?

They are trying to make money at the expense of players who don't know any better. Kids don't understand stastics or odds so they don't know they are being exploited. Go get a quarter and flip it over and over till you can land on heads or tails 17 times In row.... You will be flipping that thing for a long time... Oh wait sorry you must wait 16 hours between flips so yea get back to me in 100 years lol
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MasterWill

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:38 pm

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

Woa333 wrote:Just to clarify if you breed lets say 30 monsters and get 10 boys and 20 girls that is uncommon but would happen a lot or if you breed 20 and get 16 girls and 4 boys its unlikely but again it's not unheard of but when you get to a point where one side is 0 and it happens constantly and keep in mind most players don't have forums or names to comment their experiences. Heck I have never even made a forum post till now. I was so annoyed by this I felt I needed to comment.

This is not the first time I have seen this happen in haypi. I have played haypi kingdom and when I enhanced my horse at lvl 18 to get to 20 it said its 18% chance and it failed 15 times in a row then at lvl 19 again 18% chance failed 22 more times in a row. I figured I was just unlucky but again 18% chance is much worse than 50% so it was possible just bad luck for me there... And yes this did not happen to all players and they had a coin option to enhance (which I was told by paying players) that it made the "odds" more likely but it still said 18% so coins or not why would it improve odds?

They are trying to make money at the expense of players who don't know any better. Kids don't understand stastics or odds so they don't know they are being exploited. Go get a quarter and flip it over and over till you can land on heads or tails 17 times In row.... You will be flipping that thing for a long time... Oh wait sorry you must wait 16 hours between flips so yea get back to me in 100 years lol


Nice posting 100% agree
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Lord.Rex

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:55 pm

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

.5 (50% chance) to the 17th power is .0000076 (.5 •.5 is .25•.5 is .125 etc... ) Multiply that by 100 to make it a percentage and it is .00076% (I rounded up to 8 for an even number). Technically though I think the chance of bring born a female (at least for humans) it's 49% not 50, but assuming haypi made it straight up 50/50 then I'm pretty sure my math is in fact correct.

For the 20th time though that doesn't matter. The whole reason I even mentioned the lottery was to show that even tiny percentages can happen, and compared to that .0008 really isn't that small, and on top of that all he said was 1 set of numbers, that being 17 straight females. We need to see the results of every player from day 1 to now to actually see what the overal percentage is, and I'd be willing to bet it's pretty close 50%
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Woa333_691

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:56 pm

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

On a final note, I'd like to add that I'm not trying to bad mouth the game or be negative. I actually like this game and will continue to play but I can't keep spending money on a game if I feel it's not legit. I hope they fix this problem because it isn't just an isolated incident. I don't want people to get discouraged and quit because of this but unless it's addressed and fixed people will get fed up and quit and that's not good for the players or Haypi.

Also In case anyone is wondering I'm 333 because I'm half good (angel) and half bad (devil). Get it half of 666? Lol ...

but just like Haypi you won't get am equal 50/50 all the time with me :D
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Woa333_691

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:11 pm

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

It wasn't just him Rex, I'm speaking from my own experience. If you count up my chimps, sliders and octobud I get to 16 or 17 as well and I did no other boy synthesis along the way. I even tried catching all boys to synthesize and still got girls.

His is breeding, mine is just synthesis I'm talking about. I know master will had a crazy run as well. Yes the number itself isn't huge but you have to remember its 50% chance. You have to also consider the number of daily breeders. There are not millions of players in this game breeding daily. Maybe a few thousand maybe 10s of thousands? Most of players are noobs and some don't get to lvl 15 even and a lot don't play long enough to even breed 17 times. The actual core hard core players are a much smaller group.

So odds wise it should only happen to one of us in entire game but when It's happening to a bunch of people and on multiple servers something is wrong.
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Woa333

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Post Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:22 pm

Re: Gender Problem from Breeding

Yes your math was correct there, I was just looking at the decimals and numbers and saw no percent sign but you typed it out in words so my mistake on that one lol

Also I'm not even mentioning the breeding that went 5 or 6 or 7 in one direction... I only mention the 17 because its not considered random anymore. Before it happened to me I just assumed people were exaggerating or like you said bad luck but when it happens to you personally you will take the time to analyze things further.
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