The Ultimate PVP Guide 1.4

Lower lvls actually have the disadvantage... Less mana= more percent used for the same skills and less agility= less to add to your mana. There is nothing good about being a low lvl except bragging rights when you beat a high lvl lol
No disrespect kitty but you're doing the experiment with a lack of the math. I've been playing pvp as well and can confirm what Jerry and this guide says are 100% true.

Look at the order of shooters, and the round number.

Eloes vs Kelso17 (Scenario 1)

Round 1:
Eloes shoots. No Mana.
Kelso17 shoots. No Mana (Or full Mana).

Round 2:
Eloes shoots. No Mana.
Kelso17 shoots. No Mana (Or full Mana).

Round 3:
Eloes shoots. No Mana.
Kelso17 shoots. No Mana (Or full Mana).

Do you see the pattern? Because you are using zero mana, it doesn't matter what I do. Because my agility isn't higher, I will never have a chance to go twice even if I use zero Mana so I might as well use full power.

See this is my point that I was trying to make -.-
In order for me to not give others a second turn I have to downplay and use no mana leaving myself open for a full on 3x power or 2x power +qs
Yeah I get to go again next round first but at a cost(3x power +cube if frozen I'm dead next turn since I won't get a second turn regardless, 3xpower+rock/boulder with stun ill be dead, 3xpower+vine dead.....you follow my pattern :p)

See in teams it's not really fair is it, I'm first and I'll be targeted first more often than not. So it somewhat forces me to use full power so I can at least get a shot thats worth some good dmg. And if I last, yes everyone else goes twice .. And I just watch the match like a spectator. A lower will have at least 3 shots in , less dmg or not , it's enough to finish me off as a high ... And correct any miss aimed shots.. I have basically one shot and only luckily two or more if that sometimes..

As far as stones.. u can't downgrade And it defeats the purpose of getting them. .

And now pvp is mostly bombs ... Ice block , vine , and boulder is all I'm seeing now ... Hardly any use of qs volley , just might be used towards end of play.

Now I understand Eloes lol... It's unfair that you can't initiate a double turn but lowers can. It goes like this then?:
Turn 1:
No mana vs no mana (freeze)
Turn 2:
(freeze skip) vs full power
Turn 3:
No mana or half power (doesnt double) vs full power = KILL
Or
Full power (doesn't double) vs no mana or half (full power double) = KILL

So yeah... Since we're fighting for WHO GOES FIRST AND NOT WHO GETS DOUBLE TURNS... I love you Eloes.  but what Jerry said is still true. Also in old pvp, when you get frozen or stunned... You will most likely die anyway so you can't blame this on the update... The difference is the damage I do on the turn I freeze for using PPP will be translated to a double turn.

See in teams it's not really fair is it, I'm first and I'll be targeted first more often than not. So it somewhat forces me to use full power so I can at least get a shot thats worth some good dmg. And if I last, yes everyone else goes twice .. And I just watch the match like a spectator. A lower will have at least 3 shots in , less dmg or not , it's enough to finish me off as a high ... And correct any miss aimed shots.. I have basically one shot and only luckily two or more if that sometimes..

As far as stones.. u can't downgrade And it defeats the purpose of getting them. .

And now pvp is mostly bombs ... Ice block , vine , and boulder is all I'm seeing now ... Hardly any use of qs volley , just might be used towards end of play.

Sorry kitty I still dont understand yours. What forces you to full power lol? When it's sooo much more rewarding not to... Also PPP cube is more efficient than QSPP nowadays and everyone in teams usually uses QSPP giving you a great advantage in teams rather than a disadvantage.

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Have you tried baiting your opponent by using a small amount of mana so they get suckered into thinking they can beat you with back to back turns? (For example, using only 1 P on your first shot, forcing them to try beat you with a first round zero mana, and second round full mana?)

There are two upsides to this. If they get sucked in, they probably wont be able to beat you with a zero power bomb/bullet + full power bomb/bullet, thus giving you the opportunity for your own back to back turns.

Or, if they choose to ignore the trap and hit you full power, chances are they will rage you and because you will have done extra damage, you will have a better chance at finishing them off.

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On a side note unrelated to this response, players seriously need to quit complaining about freezes and stuns. It happens. And no, they aren't "useless."

If you stun/freeze your opponent on a shot with zero mana, then you will get a second turn!

If you DO use mana, then the opposing player will only get one turn to hit you because their first one is spent stunned/frozen. And what does that mean? If they use even a drop of mana, it opens the window for two turns!

What boggles my mind is the players who seem to have so much issue with PVP are the ones who win 95% of the time. It's a lot like Poker. There are professionals who stick to their game plan and do win a lot, but the champions are always changing because strategies evolve and players adapt. And while it's a lot of fun picking on the players who just don't understand it, it IS ok to do the same.

Also, rather than complaining about the system itself, why not second or third the suggestion regarding adjusting the +/- points in rank score to reflect the new intricacy of PVP? I do think it is highly unfair with the new forumla to have high ranked players gain 1-5 points when they win, yet lose 5-20 if they happen to get beat by a much lower ranked player. (And no, let's not get on the topic of DC'ers.)

Just a thought.

A decent lvl WILL finish you off with no mana cube + full power... Worse, if they know where to hit... They'll drop you lol. Besides, that's not an answer, it's a strategy; YOUR strategy. We want to know wether it is unfair for high lvls not how to deal with it Kelso-style.

Freeze could be useless... If you get a double on a frozen opponent, you can't damage him and he gets a chance to double.

Winners complain coz they want to win more and dont know how to. Fun picking on the players who don't get it... That sounds evilly sadistic but I like doing it too so never mind that lol

Complaining on the -/+ system... Yeah... We've done that too... And we're still hungry...

Who's side am I on? Idk...

I think the freeze thing confused you... What Eloes was trying to say is that the first turn will never be able to start a double turn party. If you go first with no mana and he uses full power... Then you use no mana the next turn, you don't get a second turn and he can use full power again... You go next with no mana(still trying to get a double), you don't get a double... Then he kills you. Amen.

There is a constant battle of who thinks what about the PvP,. just go by what Jerry said he simplified it alot

My Rule:
MP RULE = The one to use more mp that turn, is most likely to lose his turn next turn.

There is a constant battle of who thinks what about the PvP,. just go by what Jerry said he simplified it alot

My Rule:
MP RULE = The one to use more mp that turn, is most likely to lose his turn next turn.

Jerry is right but it's incomplete.

Look at the order of shooters, and the round number.

Eloes vs Kelso17 (Scenario 1)

Round 1:
Eloes shoots. No Mana.
Kelso17 shoots. No Mana (Or full Mana).

Round 2:
Eloes shoots. No Mana.
Kelso17 shoots. No Mana (Or full Mana).

Round 3:
Eloes shoots. No Mana.
Kelso17 shoots. No Mana (Or full Mana).

Do you see the pattern? Because you are using zero mana, it doesn't matter what I do. Because my agility isn't higher, I will never have a chance to go twice even if I use zero Mana so I might as well use full power.

See this is my point that I was trying to make -.-
In order for me to not give others a second turn I have to downplay and use no mana leaving myself open for a full on 3x power or 2x power +qs
Yeah I get to go again next round first but at a cost(3x power +cube if frozen I'm dead next turn since I won't get a second turn regardless, 3xpower+rock/boulder with stun ill be dead, 3xpower+vine dead.....you follow my pattern :p)

i agree with what eloes is saying because I'm in the same boat as he is. some of u who comment otherwise are lowers and so u don't know how it really is until u play as us. we vs a lot of high lvls in solo and teams and we vs lowers...having to less power now to play it out but die bc of the lowers advantage isn't cool or fair. we have one good shot in because we start first ...better have aim spot on bc theres no leeway or room to play. and even then we can't stop being skipped and given the other a double in most cases

and the point system is obv in need of adjusting..we lose one and have to play and win a dozen to make up for it. which is why myself and others don't care anymore about rank its worthless and doesn't actually represent the best players placement in game.

the game overall is good , its cool and fun to play but not worth playing hours on end in pvp to make up for a couple of losses we may endure....which is no wonder a bunch discontinued playing and kept their ranks. pvp should be monthly resetted and rewarded perhaps with medal of some sort and gold coins or a gift box.