Restoring the Haypi Community

Anyway, yes, it's really sad - a friend who was rank 1 on S42 and who in my opinion was the best Haypi player of his time got banned recently, and that really lowers the server morale, it seems. :(

So what are you saying, that even though he was a cheater, he should be able to play for the morale? Or was he banned for something else?

In MY opinion, "best Haypi player" is someone who can make it to the top WITHOUT cheating.

I'm almost positive he didn't cheat however, at least up to the time I left. :/
And it's pretty relevant to this thread's original point, including that now-banned players used to make world chat (and the community in general) active.

Not that cheaters should be unbanned, it's simply sad the number of people that did in fact play unfairly, and the actually negative repercussions for all players because of this.

[GoldenRico]

Bad apples ruin it for others. Also those bad apples make others think that bullying and breaking the rules is allowed just because you are active or high level. The sense of entitlement needs to end as it affects others, and while a chat ban is harsh, support doesn't ban players without giving them warning of their actions. Not to mention support is very forgiving and is all about giving second chances. New servers and servers with haypi vets have this problem but with proper guidance and help from support we can make this a very clean and happy community

Bad apples ruin it for others. Also those bad apples make others think that bullying and breaking the rules is allowed just because you are active or high level. The sense of entitlement needs to end as it affects others, and while a chat ban is harsh, support doesn't ban players without giving them warning of their actions. Not to mention support is very forgiving and is all about giving second chances. New servers and servers with haypi vets have this problem but with proper guidance and help from support we can make this a very clean and happy community

Once again no comment lol.

support doesn't ban players without giving them warning of their actions. Not to mention support is very forgiving and is all about giving second chances.

lol...you obviously dont know them that well...i know of several who were banned without warning and havent been given a second chance to date even though they have asked for it several times

Bad apples ruin it for others. Also those bad apples make others think that bullying and breaking the rules is allowed just because you are active or high level. The sense of entitlement needs to end as it affects others, and while a chat ban is harsh, support doesn't ban players without giving them warning of their actions. Not to mention support is very forgiving and is all about giving second chances. New servers and servers with haypi vets have this problem but with proper guidance and help from support we can make this a very clean and happy community :)

That's a very broad generalization, that all cheaters bully other players and give a bad example to other high level players. As I said in my last post, cheaters can also be regular, amiable people who don't really ruin the community in any way except by breaking that one rule. And Nathan's right, cheaters should be warned before being banned; perhaps a prestige "rollback" along with a warning (on the first offense; obviously a ban on the second) would keep communities intact and all the while put cheating to a permanent halt.

[GoldenRico]

There is a difference between an account ban and a chat ban. For a player to glitch cheat or give themselves an advantage that takes away from the level playin field of other players doesn't deserve a second chance in my opinion. I can imagine having my troops wiped by someone who glitches troops and having to wait for support to return them to me. Now that time waiting I could be hunting for prestige but thanks to a player with no integrity I am stuck rebuilding. Just because they may chat or be amiable doesn't give him a get out of jail free card. It is like saying that Mr. Smith is a great guy to chat and be around with, but he has a drinking problem and drives intoxicated. If he were to hurt or kill someone while driving should we let him go just cause he is nice for the community? Let's not be naive, we all know that in any online game cheaters are punished harshly and it will always result in an account ban.

Support, keep up the good work identifying those cheaters

There is a difference between an account ban and a chat ban. For a player to glitch cheat or give themselves an advantage that takes away from the level playin field of other players doesn't deserve a second chance in my opinion. I can imagine having my troops wiped by someone who glitches troops and having to wait for support to return them to me. Now that time waiting I could be hunting for prestige but thanks to a player with no integrity I am stuck rebuilding. Just because they may chat or be amiable doesn't give him a get out of jail free card. It is like saying that Mr. Smith is a great guy to chat and be around with, but he has a drinking problem and drives intoxicated. If he were to hurt or kill someone while driving should we let him go just cause he is nice for the community? Let's not be naive, we all know that in any online game cheaters are punished harshly and it will always result in an account ban.

Support, keep up the good work identifying those cheaters

no ones denying that, only denying that people dont receive warnings for chat bans... and dont receive seconds chances...

but let me put it this way...The maximum sentence for causing death by dangerous driving was increased in 2003 from 10 to 14 years. A driving ban of two years is also mandatory, with a mandatory retake of the driving test to regain the licence. but they are eventually released... and they are eventually forgiven i have seen people go many months without the second chance for in comparison a minor offence...

keep i dentifying the cheaters yes but keep reveiwing and releasing people from there bans in order to keep the community flowing... in a normal community people flow in and out of prison (bans) and receive second chances so come on release the people who havent actually done that much wrong

while a chat ban is harsh, support doesn't ban players without giving them warning of their actions. Not to mention support is very forgiving and is all about giving second chances.

we all know that in any online game cheaters are punished harshly and it will always result in an account ban.

Support, keep up the good work identifying those cheaters :)

Playing the angel's advocate while contradicting oneself is not a great strategy for effecting a concrete standpoint. I would like to restate what I said before, that cheaters should be given second chances, as you initially said they were and soon after said they shouldn't be. Yes Support, please do keep up the good work identifying cheaters; but what harm will it do to warn the cheater that they will be banned shortly if they don't start following the rules (and that a regular checkup on them will be made henceforth to ensure no cheating is taking place)? Bans would be issued to those who refuse to listen, but I'd predict the majority of cheaters would be thankful they were given warning, and however much that may question their integrity, they would stop cheating and remain as a part of the community.

If this were implemented, all players caught cheating would either be banned or forced to never cheat again, at risk of a ban, which would take cheating out of the game just as much as simply banning them on the spot. And, most importantly, it would leave communities as intact as possible, as I have previously described.

[GoldenRico]

I dont want cheaters in my community. Lock em up and throw away the key please. Why should have to waste time checking up on cheaters to make sure they are behaving. You don't cheat and if you glitched by accident report it to support. Don't see why you would protect such dispicable characters who lack integrity to play right.

Now for chat bans they deserve a second chance or a warning depending on offense and such. Although I wish chat bans were Device based so that players that have broken the rules be rightfully punished and serve their time without being able to communicate on the wc

What about bans for multiple alts and sharing accounts? Is a lifetime ban without warning appropriate punishment?