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Lord.Rex

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Post Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:26 pm

Re: Waterspout does not work

CrimsonHarv wrote:The skills I mentioned are all reactive skills.

Skills like Water Jets, Smack, and Foresight all attack first.

Foresight is a preventative skill and should activate first as it does.

Both mirrors act nearly identically to foresight, but are reactive instead of preventative. Giving them the "attack last" condition like cunning has would allow them to be used on more monsters than just Purrfection since he's the only psychic monster slow enough to use it. Snowflakes works the same way where Chunky is the only ice type slow enough to use it. Allowing this will open up more options and strategy for the new advanced psychic and ice skill books.


That's the thing though, they are technically both reactive AND protective. They aren't supposed to stop damage but they work by going BEFORE the opponent so that there is a certainty that their effects will activate. I've told you literally 20 times already, if they went second then they would never be able to get used because psychic types CAN NOT last more than two turns with all these legendaries in pvp. Purrfection is actually the WORST monster you could give it to, felecity can take a hit way better and is faster. That's what you want, fast and strong.

And come on guys yea I get it I made a mistake, not my fault haypi decided to ruin a really good move, I said I was wrong unlike certain people in this forum WHO DON'T GET A SIMPLE CONCEPT, no need to keep pointing it out -_- Still think its the dumbest decision I've seen to make that move go last though
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Sveriel

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Post Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:48 pm

Re: Waterspout does not work

Cunning has always went last as far back as version 1.2 and probably longer.

As far as I know it has ALWAYS went last, it was never changed into going last.
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Lord.Rex

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Post Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:03 pm

Re: Waterspout does not work

Sveriel wrote:Cunning has always went last as far back as version 1.2 and probably longer.

As far as I know it has ALWAYS went last, it was never changed into going last.


I had it on my Draco way back when and it never did? Or I just don't remember. I know it's never said it in the description when I used it though, you have to realize that I quit playing for like 2-3 updates, so I missed a lot.
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AcheTH

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Post Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:14 am

Re: Waterspout does not work

Cunning always attack last from the beginning
and the two mirrors skill need to be cast before being attack for it to work, it s the opposite of water spout
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rathalos

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Post Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:38 pm

Re: Waterspout does not work

@lord.rex
When moves like the mirrors goes last in battle, it doesn't have to mean that they deal the dmg next turn. It all can happen in the same turn, for instances cunning goes last, but still does the dmg in the same turn, why can't mirrors go last and deal the dmg in the same turn?
Monster A use fire blast against monster B, monster B uses the physical mirror, take dmg and deal 2x the dmg back IN THE SAME TURN.
The problem is that you're automatically implying going last and dealing dmg the next turn are related, those two things are completely different and not related to each other.

in general:

Giving attacks a positive or negative speed priority adds new strategies to this game. Moves like mirrors, water sprout and snowflakes are better off with a negative speed priority, attacking last like cunning, because this way more monster will be able to use these skills.
Snowflakes:
current situation --> only slow monster can use this attack, because the monster using this attack need to be hit first in order to deal higher dmg.
Negative speed priority situation --> every monster can use this attack regardless of speed. It will be a strategic choice to use this on a fast monster. For example a cleopard against a slower monster. Will cleopard use chill to deal dmg first or use snowflakes to deal dmg last (this only makes sense if the snowflakes max dmg is higher than chill's dmg).

Mirrors:
Current situation --> only fast psychic monster can use this --> felicity
Negative speed priority situation --> every psychic monster can use these skills. The thought about this skill is lacking on the Haypi staffmenbers side. The mirrors are only useful for bulky defensive monsters, the problem is that the fast monsters aren't bulky enough to use these skills.
These mirrors skills are currently useless, felicity can be easily oneshotted, because it doesn't have access to PoD.

The situation of Watersprout is basically the reversed of the mirrors , useless for hydra.
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Lord.Rex

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Post Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:36 pm

Re: Waterspout does not work

rathalos wrote:@lord.rex
When moves like the mirrors goes last in battle, it doesn't have to mean that they deal the dmg next turn. It all can happen in the same turn, for instances cunning goes last, but still does the dmg in the same turn, why can't mirrors go last and deal the dmg in the same turn?
Monster A use fire blast against monster B, monster B uses the physical mirror, take dmg and deal 2x the dmg back IN THE SAME TURN.
The problem is that you're automatically implying going last and dealing dmg the next turn are related, those two things are completely different and not related to each other.

in general:

Giving attacks a positive or negative speed priority adds new strategies to this game. Moves like mirrors, water sprout and snowflakes are better off with a negative speed priority, attacking last like cunning, because this way more monster will be able to use these skills.
Snowflakes:
current situation --> only slow monster can use this attack, because the monster using this attack need to be hit first in order to deal higher dmg.
Negative speed priority situation --> every monster can use this attack regardless of speed. It will be a strategic choice to use this on a fast monster. For example a cleopard against a slower monster. Will cleopard use chill to deal dmg first or use snowflakes to deal dmg last (this only makes sense if the snowflakes max dmg is higher than chill's dmg).

Mirrors:
Current situation --> only fast psychic monster can use this --> felicity
Negative speed priority situation --> every psychic monster can use these skills. The thought about this skill is lacking on the Haypi staffmenbers side. The mirrors are only useful for bulky defensive monsters, the problem is that the fast monsters aren't bulky enough to use these skills.
These mirrors skills are currently useless, felicity can be easily oneshotted, because it doesn't have access to PoD.

The situation of Watersprout is basically the reversed of the mirrors , useless for hydra.



Wanna know how I know you don't know what you're talking about? You compared an offensive move and defensive move. Cunning goes last but does damage WHEN IT'S USED. The mirrors go first because they do damage WHEN YOU GET ATTACKED. It's ok to go last when the damage is done imstantly, but when you have to wait until you're attacked then why the hell would you want it to go last? I mean seriously are you all too dense to understand if it goes last you will all die and do literally no damage to the enemy? It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp even for you.
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