I've officially had it with this game DONE.

The Free 2 Play model is usually based around allowing you to play enough to get invested in a game while provided options and rewards for paying players.

Honestly the number and types of rewards provided by VIP bonuses (even though they are diminishing past VIP 2) are really good in this game compared to most games which give a one off bonuses or bonuses that only last for a certain amount of time and have to be re-bought.

And while the using coins for various things, number of respins, or bag slots have diminishing returns (the cost ramps up drastically the more you do) you still get the initial attempts or bag slots are dirt cheap. Also the once a day trainings are quite awesome.

Basically, you cant fault a Free 2 Play game for adhering to the Free 2 Play business model, and this game does it fairer than most.

So basically what you're saying is because it's F2P, that means the fact that people all over the servers are using IRL currency to do things and it's not happening IE, this thread, of landing on the same things, or monsters not switching talents no matter how many runes are used its ok.

I fail to see that logic. When a game is F2P it offers a cash shop for the people willing to pay their IRL money to have an edge or further advancement over the people who choose not to participate in the cash option.

Pretty sure all the things you said doesnt account for the fact people are loosing irl money because the wheel wont land on something different, or their monsters wont change their talents...

Respinning with the expectation that you will land on something different or something better is unrealistic. Even if you are more likely to land on junk than a good item during a spin doesn't change he fact that you are paying for the chance to spin again with the same odds as your first spin.

And being butt hurt that this voluntary chance that you took didn't net the results you want is not something I will back. While I think the free 2 play business model is predatory and anti-consumer, I and everyone else should be aware of what they are getting themselves in when they choose to take part in it.

Respinning with the expectation that you will land on something different or something better is unrealistic. Even if you are more likely to land on junk than a good item during a spin doesn't change he fact that you are paying for the chance to spin again with the same odds as your first spin.

And being butt hurt that this voluntary chance that you took didn't net the results you want is not something I will back. While I think the free 2 play business model is predatory and anti-consumer, I and everyone else should be aware of what they are getting themselves in when they choose to take part in it.

So a game that offers a respin system, and youre saying its unrealistic to take advantage of said respin service to land on something else. Oh ok.

Good thing noone's asking you to back what this person is saying, or better yet your opinion.

No I am saying if you chose to pay money to get coins and chose to respin, you should accept the possibility of landing on the same item. The premium you are paying for is for the ability to respin, you arent paying for a guarantee of getting the item you want or even a different item.

Mystery Talents on the other hand dont even bother giving you the illusion that you have an equal chance of landing on any talent. If anything cursory testing shows that some talents are clearly harder to get than others.

The free to play business model offers a free game to play and incentivises players to spend money by offering features unavailable to players who do no spend money. The OP is within their right to complain about not getting what they wanted out of these premium features and be upset about it. But if they come to a forum, a place of discourse, to complain about it, they can expect people to have different opinions and to voice them.

No I am saying if you chose to pay money to get coins and chose to respin, you should accept the possibility of landing on the same item. The premium you are paying for is for the ability to respin, you arent paying for a guarantee of getting the item you want or even a different item.

Mystery Talents on the other hand dont even bother giving you the illusion that you have an equal chance of landing on any talent. If anything cursory testing shows that some talents are clearly harder to get than others.

The free to play business model offers a free game to play and incentivises players to spend money by offering features unavailable to players who do no spend money. The OP is within their right to complain about not getting what they wanted out of these premium features and be upset about it. But if they come to a forum, a place of discourse, to complain about it, they can expect people to have different opinions and to voice them.

Agree with you, +1

DDDDDDDDD-DD-D-D-D-D-D-DEAL WITH IT--just deal with it

It is obviously clear the people arguing against OP, hasnt dealt with what they have been saying. Like someone said earlier, if you used over 20 runes and your monster stayed on the same talent, bet youd be mad too. It is always that person(s) who dont go through what people are going through to cast the get over it, deal with it, its your fault, you know what youre getting into stone. hypocrites

It is obviously clear the people arguing against OP, hasnt dealt with what they have been saying. Like someone said earlier, if you used over 20 runes and your monster stayed on the same talent, bet youd be mad too. It is always that person(s) who dont go through what people are going through to cast the get over it, deal with it, its your fault, you know what youre getting into stone. hypocrites

Free of speech of judging people, eh?

Anyway youre wrong.

Soon the thread starter will realize where they went wrong and what should be done. Like me and many other who have gone throught it.

It is obviously clear the people arguing against OP, hasnt dealt with what they have been saying. Like someone said earlier, if you used over 20 runes and your monster stayed on the same talent, bet youd be mad too. It is always that person(s) who dont go through what people are going through to cast the get over it, deal with it, its your fault, you know what youre getting into stone. hypocrites

Free of speech of judging people, eh?

Anyway youre wrong.

Soon the thread starter will realize where they went wrong and what should be done. Like me and many other who have gone throught it.

Um, no. I wasn't going to post on this anymore for the obvious reasons but I couldn't pass this up.

I didn't go wrong anywhere, nor did I do anything wrong. I used Ultimate Runes and they did not change the talent. I used re spins they did not provide me the chance to land on something different rather the same items. Isn't that what the options are for? Ultimate Runes to CHANGE your monsters talent? Re spins, the option to land on something DIFFERENT on the wheel? They aren't doing their purpose, hence the thread.

Also from what I've seen, nowhere does it say that there is a chance that using Ulti Runes your monster won't change it's talent, also there isn't a disclaimer saying re spins have a chance to keep landing on the same items turn and turn again.

Had this game had these disclaimers maybe I'd be in the wrong, but since there isn't, I'm not in the wrong the game is, their makers & IT.

If I did anything remotely wrong it was spending money on this novice game with it's novice mechanics.

It is obviously clear the people arguing against OP, hasnt dealt with what they have been saying. Like someone said earlier, if you used over 20 runes and your monster stayed on the same talent, bet youd be mad too. It is always that person(s) who dont go through what people are going through to cast the get over it, deal with it, its your fault, you know what youre getting into stone. hypocrites

Free of speech of judging people, eh?

Anyway youre wrong.

Soon the thread starter will realize where they went wrong and what should be done. Like me and many other who have gone throught it.

Um, no. I wasn't going to post on this anymore for the obvious reasons but I couldn't pass this up.

I didn't go wrong anywhere, nor did I do anything wrong. I used Ultimate Runes and they did not change the talent. I used re spins they did not provide me the chance to land on something different rather the same items. Isn't that what the options are for? Ultimate Runes to CHANGE your monsters talent? Re spins, the option to land on something DIFFERENT on the wheel? They aren't doing their purpose, hence the thread.

Also from what I've seen, nowhere does it say that there is a chance that using Ulti Runes your monster won't change it's talent, also there isn't a disclaimer saying re spins have a chance to keep landing on the same items turn and turn again.

Had this game had these disclaimers maybe I'd be in the wrong, but since there isn't, I'm not in the wrong the game is, their makers & IT.

If I did anything remotely wrong it was spending money on this novice game with it's novice mechanics.

If that doesn't shut the fail trolls up, then they really do have downz.