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Ryeballs

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:20 am

Re: underdog talent

superfly88_713 wrote:Are you sure it's added and not multiplicative ?
1 x 1.5 x 1.4= 2.1 = 210%?


On my Neon, Aurora 1-shots Blooms in Holy Land Teammode that my Super Thunderstorm with Adapt cant, and Blooms have higher MDEF than DEF.

As far as the damage boost Adapt provides, I created a topic a week or so ago with the monsters and numbers I used to calculate the amount of the damage boost.

As far as how exactly the damage calculation formula works its hard to say. But given weather adding '50%' extra damage which increases the Power of the associated skill by 50% Im assuming all percentage damage boosts (STAB, Crits, Weather) add that much to the base Power of a skill.

I think Adapt, Force/MForce or 'under 30% health do more damage' etc talents only calculate their boost the base power as well, not the boosted power.

So STS would be 120 + 48 Adapt (at 40%) + 60 STAB = 228 Power
Aurora would be 120 + 120 Element Advantage = 240 Power
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arickdark

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:25 am

Re: underdog talent

Well underdog is really really really freakingly powerful. My S underdog cerberus took out 80% of brawny's health by using pyroblast when scorching:D so apparently underdog boót more damage than adapt, much more.
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Ryeballs

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:34 am

Re: underdog talent

Can you do us a favour and find out how much health it takes off a similarly leveled (to the Brawny) Verte, Flight, Legendary Dragon, Hippogon etc?

They all have close to the same Def as a Brawny, so if it does about 80% damage to any of them, then it is just negating the damage reduction, if it is doing more damage to the similarly leveled Brawny then it is actually boosting the damage.

Merci beaucoup!
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Timkkhung

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:02 am

Re: underdog talent

how many premium runes did you guys take for underdog talent? or do you guys just breed?
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armiantz

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:59 am

Re: underdog talent

Timkkhung wrote:how many premium runes did you guys take for underdog talent? or do you guys just breed?


breed. orange runes are so hard to get/very expensive to fusion. i do breeding with sacrifice always im not sure if that's the way to go. but im left with no silver and no seal cards. but i guess it's worth it.

got it on my 4th try btw.
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Timkkhung

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:04 am

Re: underdog talent

armiantz wrote:
Timkkhung wrote:how many premium runes did you guys take for underdog talent? or do you guys just breed?


breed. orange runes are so hard to get/very expensive to fusion. i do breeding with sacrifice always im not sure if that's the way to go. but im left with no silver and no seal cards. but i guess it's worth it.

got it on my 4th try btw.

you cracked a hydra? i regretted using pod on my rain hydra :/ looks like im using one for set up and the other underdog:/
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TheOppressed

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:39 am

Re: underdog talent

What would be a good underdog build?

@ Sharp Claw / Iron Shield
Celestial Prayer
SFB
SFB
PoD
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arickdark

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:04 pm

Re: underdog talent

Ryeballs wrote:Can you do us a favour and find out how much health it takes off a similarly leveled (to the Brawny) Verte, Flight, Legendary Dragon, Hippogon etc?

They all have close to the same Def as a Brawny, so if it does about 80% damage to any of them, then it is just negating the damage reduction, if it is doing more damage to the similarly leveled Brawny then it is actually boosting the damage.

Merci beaucoup!

I test it and itt actually boost the damage since i use pyroblast when scorching and it only takes like 50% of flight and hippogon's health:D
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Ryeballs

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:42 pm

Re: underdog talent

arickdark wrote:I test it and itt actually boost the damage since i use pyroblast when scorching and it only takes like 50% of flight and hippogon's health:D


Well in that case, death to this ridiculously overpowered talent
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Kanger

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Post Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:00 pm

Re: underdog talent

Note that underdog power does not trigger if your monster uses a move that is not its same type. So, a Gryphion that uses iajitsu or frenzied attack against a Scythe will not get the benefit if its underdog power talent. If your monster has underdog power, do not put not moves on it that is not its own type.
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